Common Objections to Tongues Refuted
Posted by brothermel on November 6, 2006
By Rev. Mel C. Montgomery
In twenty-five years of speaking in tongues and studying the subject, I have yet to find any objection to tongues that survived Scriptural examination.
Here are common myths:
1. Speaking in tongues died out when the last Apostle died.
Clearly not true.
The Early Church Fathers in their writings mentioned speaking in tongues as occurring among Christians in their day.
These Early Church Fathers approved of speaking in tongues and were not and are not today considered to be heretics.
Speaking in tongues was present and considered to be entirely orthodox until at least 350 years after Christ’s death, and long after the last Apostle’s grandchild died.
Also there are numerous recorded instances of Christians speaking in tongues in the 1300’s, 1500’s, 1600’s, and 1800’s. And according to reliable statistics, well over 350 million Christians speak in tongues today.
2. We are living in a different dispensation. Tongues were for the Apostles’ dispensation and the Early Church’s dispensation, not for our dispensation.
In the following references, the Bible makes it clear that the Apostles were living–at that time–in the last days and the last times:
Heb. 1:2.–Author, Paul (probably).
I Pet. 1:20–Author, Peter.
I John 2:18–Author, John.
Jude 18–Author, Jude.
Three Apostles and the Lord’s half-brother all clearly identified the dispensation they were living in as being the Last Days. The only event to come after the Last Days is the Rapture of the Church. Since the Rapture has not taken place, then we are no doubt living in the same dispensation of the “Last Days” as did the Apostles. And if they were living in the dispensation of Speaking in Tongues, then so are we.
3. Paul said tongues would cease. They must have ceased because my church doesn’t believe in them.
Many churches no longer believe in several doctrines clearly taught in Scripture. For instance, some churches no longer believe in the Virgin Birth. Yet Christ was still born of the Virgin Mary. Others no longer believe in a literal Hell. But Hell still exists and is a place to be shunned. What a church believes or does not believe in anymore does not change the facts of the Bible.
Yes, Paul wrote that tongues would cease. But he said it would cease at a very specific point in time:
“…whether there be TONGUES, THEY SHALL CEASE…WHEN THAT WHICH IS PERFECT IS COME…then FACE TO FACE…THEN SHALL I KNOW EVEN AS ALSO I AM KNOWN.” I Cor. 13:8-12.
Paul specified three descriptions of the point in time in which tongues will cease:
1. When that which is perfect is come.
2. When we see face to face.
3. When we know even as we are known.
Some argue that this point in time was reached when the last Apostle wrote the last book of the Bible. But that interpretation does not fit in with the other descriptions. Paul said secondly that we would see “face to face.” There is no face on the cover of my Bible. Paul wrote thirdly that we would know as well as we are known. I don’t know as well as I am known. Do you?
What is coming that is perfect, and has a face? Jesus Christ. And when will we know as we are known? Our knowledge of all things will become perfect at Christ’s coming.
In other words, Paul said that tongues would continue until perfection came, and we see Christ face to face, and then with our knowledge being entirely complete there would be no further need of speaking in tongues.
4. Paul disapproved of tongues, so we do too.
Paul did not disapprove of tongues.
He wrote, “I would that ye all spoke with tongues…”
And, “I thank my God I speak with tongues more than ye all…” I Cor. 14:5,18.
5. Tongues caused alot of problems at Corinth. We don’t want any problems.
Tongues did not cause a man in the church at Corinth to sleep with his step-mother, which was the most shocking abuse Paul dealt with.
Tongues did not cause the church at Corinth to mishandle communion.
Paul’s two epistles to the Corinthians had a total of 29 chapters. Of the 29 chapters only two chapters and a part of a third are devoted to speaking in tongues. The other 26 and 1/2 chapters were used to address other issues.
Churches that do not allow speaking in tongues still have plenty of problems. But on top of their problems, they are also disobeying Scripture because Paul also wrote, “…and FORBID NOT to speak with tongues.” I Cor 14:39.
Actually, when the Holy Spirit is allowed to operate the Gift of Speaking in Tongues within a congregation, there are many times in which problems are addressed and solved through messages in other tongues.
The Goodwins had many times in their church in which they gave a message through tongues and interpretation which identified problems or sins in the congregation of which they had no personal knowledge. And through careful confrontation and love-filled ministering, the exposed problems were solved and repentence and restoration came.
In my own ministry, I’ve had the same thing happen. A dramatic example occurred years ago one morning at my home church. I was not scheduled to minister at church that morning, but I had a message in tongues which I gave at the end of praise and worship. It was one of the few words of rebuke I’ve had over the years, and it was severe.
Allow me to add before I detail the word to you, that I do not believe words this strong should be allowed to come from members of the congregation. In this case though, I wasn’t simply a member of the congregation in this church. I had ministered there a number of times, held services there, they had ordained me, and the pastor and I knew each other very well.
I began the message, speaking a sentence or two in tongues, then interpreting into English, and then back in tongues, then again in English. Before all the people the Lord said through me, “Thus saith the Lord, I AM GRIEVED WITH THIS CONGREGATION!”
I burst into tears at the thought of our congregation having grieved the Spirit of God. As I continued, I found myself saying, “For you have said things about Me that are not right!” And the Lord went on, through me, to list different things people in the congregation were saying word for word about the Lord in their homes, at work, and in their cars as they drove here and there. I had no personal knowledge that they were saying these things, but the Lord knew. The message continued on by saying that if they would repent, the Lord would forgive and bless them. I handed the microphone back to the pastor.
The shocked room was so quiet you could hear a pin drop.
The pastor immediately began driving home the points covered in that message in tongues, combined with his own thoughts that morning. He ended by giving an altar call, and three fourths of the congregation came forward and repented! Such a large response clearly indicated that the people had been saying these things, and were convicted in their hearts. One man though, I noticed out of the corner of my eye, hardened himself, folded his arms, and brashly sat down, refusing to repent.
A few weeks later, the Pastor met with me. He said, “I want to tell you what that message in tongues caused to happen. God has really done a miracle!”
This pastor told me, “This is a small church. We’ve only been going about a year. Finances are tight. We need all the tithes and offerings we can get right now just to keep the bills paid. The biggest tithes payer in this church is [the man I had seen in the service refuse to repent]. Have you noticed that young woman that comes with him?” The young woman was probably three times younger than the man. I replied, “Yes.” The pastor continued, “Well, that isn’t his granddaughter. That’s his girlfriend.”
“And a few weeks ago, he got her pregnant, and talked her into having an abortion. And he has warned me that if I say anything against abortion from the pulpit, he will leave and take his tithes with him. So, I’ve been in a difficult position. I needed to rebuke him, but I also knew his tithes were the only thing keeping the bills paid.”
I knew the unrepentant man had worked as a salesman for a particular well-known business in town for over 25 years. He drove an expensive car, wore expensive clothes, and wore flashy jewelry. I knew he had money. But I did not know he was trying to control the pastor behind the scenes.
“Well,” the pastor continued, “he’s gone. He lost his job with that company. And even with all his years of experience and established clientele, none of the other [smilar businesses] would hire him. He finally had to take a position in [a city about three hours away], so he isn’t attending here anymore. And I’m relieved. But you know what? God showed His faithfulness. The Sunday after he left, three new families joined our church, and the giving they bring is more than what was lost.”
You see, I didn’t know any of that. I didn’t know the people were speaking against the Lord in their houses, and I certainly didn’t know this man was trying to manipulate the pastor. Through this message in tongues and interpretation, several problems were solved at once.
To God be the glory.
Tongues were not the problem in Corinth. Sin was the problem. And God, in His sovereign power, can choose to correct sin and solve church problems by manifesting His knowledge through the Gift of Speaking in Tongues and the Gift of Interpretation.
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Joseph said
Jesus is never referred to as a “that” in the Bible. “That which is perfect” is not a reference to Christ.
We no longer have on-going Revelation from God.
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jude said it right there! The faith that was once delivered meaning past tense complete. Not the faith that is being continually delivered unto the saints.
Also Note Hebrews ch 1:
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Spoken, in times past, all past tense. There is no heavenly prayer language either. That is not mentioned anywhere in scripture.
http://psalm9416.com/mytongues&info.htm
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/Dr_Max_Younce/Tongues/toc.htm
brothermel said
Hello Brother Joseph,
Thank you for your comments. Please allow me to respond.
Your first sentence seems to be in response to I Cor. 13:8-12 which speaks of the eventual cessation of speaking in tongues. The Scriptures tell us in verse 10: “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” Some interpret this passage to mean that tongues would cease when the last scripture was written by the last apostle.
From the context of the entire passage of scripture, Paul makes it clear. He was speaking of two time periods: Then, and the future. In his day was the partial. In the future would be the perfect. In his day “we know in part and we prophesy in part.” In his day, “…we see through a glass darkly.” In his day, speaking in tongues was a part of their experience. At a specific point in the future, tongues would no longer be a part of the Christian’s life.
But Paul described precisely and with no ambiguity that future point in time: He said it would be “[when perfection comes],”–Amplified Version. You objected to the KJV referring to Christ as “that,” but surely you won’t object to the Amplified calling Christ “perfection.”
Paul told us that prophecies, tongues, and knowledge shall cease “[when perfection comes].” At that same moment, we shall see “face to face.” If this isn’t speaking of the face of Christ, then whose face should we be looking for? At the same instant that tongues cease, perfection comes, we see face to face, “then I shall know and understand fully and clearly, even in the same manner as I have been fully and clearly known and understood [by God].” (Amp).
I don’t know any legitimate minister who claims to have the infinite knowledge equal to how infinitely God knows us.
Tongues will cease when infinite knowledge comes. Infinite knowledge is not present. Therefore, tongues have not ceased.
Tongues will cease when we see the face of Christ, when we receive the infinite knowledge that will come only in his glorious presence, and not before then. No other interpretation fits all the criteria Paul listed.
As to your second main point, “We no longer have on-going Revelation from God.” If by that you mean that the Scriptures are complete, I agree.
If however, by that statement you mean that God never reveals anything to anyone anymore, I don’t know anyone who believes that, and even you don’t believe that either.
Several examples:
If God no longer reveals anything to His Children, then how can a preacher know he is personally, specifically called to preach? Every preacher out there says they “felt called.” What is that “feeling,” or that “call?” It is a revelation from God of His purpose for that man’s life.
If God no longer reveals anything to His children, then what do we do with Romans 8:16, “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.” When the Holy Spirit gives the assurance to a Christian’s heart that he is truly born-again, what is that assurance or “witness?” It is a revelation from God of the reality of the Christian’s salvation.
If God no longer reveals anything to His children, then what do we do with Christ’s description of the work of the Holy Spirit? “…the Holy Ghost…shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you…he will reprove the world of sin…he will guide you into all the truth…and he will show you things to come.” John 14:26, and 15:8, 13. He gives us revealtion after revelation, teaching us truths from God’s word, reminding us of Christ’s words, guiding us into all the truth, and showing us things to come.”
That scripture tells us the Holy Spirit, “will reprove the world of sin.” That means He will convict sinners of their sin. What is conviction? The Holy Spirit REVEALING to the sinner that he is lost and needs a savior, the Savior, Christ Jesus.
Lastly, if God doesn’t speak to His children anymore, then why did Paul pray as he did for the Ephesians? He prayed for God to give them REVELATION. “That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and REVELATION in the knowledge of him…” Eph. 1:17. Why pray for God to speak more, if God had ceased speaking entirely?
I agree with you that we receive no new Scriptures. I agree with you that we receive no new doctrines to add to the foundational doctrines of Christ. But I do not agree that God has ceased speaking entirely through His Holy Spirit. That belief is simply not scriptural.
So I believe our disagreement is this:
You claim that tongues have ceased, and that God no longer speaks to His children anyway.
I’ve shown from the scriptures though that tongues will continue until Christ comes, and that the Holy Spirit still reveals truths to the Body of Christ.
Respectfully Brother Josehp, I think my arguments hold water, and that your’s don’t.
As to your last point, “There is no heavenly prayer language either. That is not mentioned anywhere in scripture.” You are correct in that the particular phrase is not mentioned in Scripture. But you and I both believe many phrases that are not specifically mentioned in Scripture.
I believe in the “Trinity,” don’t you?
I believe in “eternal security,” don’t you?
I believe in a “literal Heaven,” and a “literal Hell,” don’t you?
These specific phrases, like many others have been commonly accepted in orthodox Christianity for centuries, even though they do not specifically appear in scripture.
Brother Joseph, we can explore these topics further if you so desire. I welcome your comments to this site, or to my private e-mail at giftoftongues@hotmail.com.
God Bless You! I look forward to your response.
Kind Regards,
Brother Mel
Joseph said
Hi Brother mel,
Thanks for the encouraging words. I’m always glad to disscuss these matters with people that do not flip out.
I did mean that God does not give us on going revelation as far as scripture goes. I do not dissagree that the Holy Ghost teaches us.
I guess my next question would be what language are you gifted with?
Thanks a lot
Jesus Christ is Lord!
Joseph
brothermel said
God Bless you Brother Joseph,
With the other things I’m doing, I haven’t been able to find the time lately to post additional material to this and my other blog.
Your question raises a good point. So I will try in the next few days to deal with the myth that all tongues are always “known” languages.
Kind Regards,
Brother Mel
Link said
Could ‘the perfect’ in I Corinthians 13 refer to the completion of New Testament scripture?
The coming of the perfect will make Paul’s understanding, thoughts, and speech when he wrote this letter seem like childhood.
Here are some things to think about:
1. Was Paul around to witness the completion of the canon?
2. Can you say that because you have the New Testament scriptures, your understanding, thoughts, and speech are so much more advanced that Paul’s that his seems childish?
3. If the New Testament is written mostly by Paul, while would his childish understanding make your understanding complete?
Now, let us consider an argument from context. The idea that ‘the perfect’ is the completed canon has absolutely nothing to do with the context of scripture. There are ideas that fit much better with the context.
Paul often starts a thought in one chapter and gets off into tangents and carries on the thought later on. Like in I Corinthians 8, he talks about not eating meat offered to idols. He goes off on a tangent (don’t mean that in a negative sense) on individual liberty and uses how he gives up payment as an example of sacrificing personal liberty. Then he gets back to the issue of meat offered to idols, finishing it up in chapter 10.
Another prime example of ‘long thoughts’ are those thoughts on Jews in Romans, starting in chapter two, and, after many tangents, being explained in chapters 9-11, and then again in chapter 15.
Does Paul mention any subjects in chapter 13 that he expands on later on? Yes, he does. In chapter 13 he mentions 3 topics and he expands on them in chapters 14-15.
1. I Cor. 13–tongues —–> 1. I Cor. 14– tongues
2. I Cor. 13–prophecy —–> 2. I Cor 14– prophecy.
3. I Cor. 13– the coming of the perfect —–> 3. I Cor. 15–the state of things in the resurrection.
We need to consider the context of the epistle. Plus, the following verse from the beginning of the epistle may give us insight into the argument Paul had in his head when he spoke of ‘the perfect’ in chapter 13.
I Corinthians 1:7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Have this verse in your head while you read that section about the gifts ceasing when the perfect comes. Since the resurrection occurs at the Lord’s return, it is easy to see that Paul has in mind his topics he is going to write in this book, even in the first chapter. He is going to talk about gifts and things related to the Lord’s return. And this verse is pretty good evidence that he expects the gifts to continue until the Lord’s return.
brothermel said
Brother Link,
You provide a good additional argument supporting the only conclusion that any serious bible reader can come to in reading what Paul wrote: Namely, Paul clearly indicates that speaking in tongues will continue until the Rapture.
Thanks for your contribution.
Kind Regards,
Brother Mel
Mark said
Thank you so much for this insightful look at this topic nothing I like more then seeing sacred cows die.
a Great honor to meat you brother Mel